Thursday, February 12, 2015

Response to "Learning from learners: robust counterarguments in fifth graders’ talk about reasoning and proving”


In Vicki Zack’s article titled, “Learning from learners: robust counterarguments in fifth graders’ talk about reasoning and proving” a group of fifth graders are given a problem that has been incorrectly solved by someone their age.  The students were asked to formulate counterarguments to the incorrect solution first by themselves by writing in a math log, then with a partner, then eventually with 12 other classmates (there were 26 students in the class, so the teacher split the class in half and within each half of 13 students, each student had a partner to share ideas with before their shared with all 13 students in their half).  The problem they were given was:

Task 1: Find all the squares [in a four by four grid given as a figure]. Can you prove you have found them all?
Task 2: What if ... this was a 5 by 5 square? How many squares would you have? Extensions were subsequently posed.
Task 3: What if this was a 10 by 10 square? What if this was a 60 by 60 square? How many squares would there be?

The incorrect solution was:

Imagine that two of your classmates, Ted and Ross, came up with the following solution for the 60by60: The answer for the 10by10 grid is 385 squares. So take the answer for the 10by 10 square (385) and 10 x 6 = 60 so multiply 385 x 6 = 2310 and you have the answer for the 60by60. What would you say?

There were about six different counterarguments the students came up with, which I will not try to describe here.  What I will do is list a couple of ideas that I thought were really interesting in reading this article.

The first idea was:

A look at the counterargument helps me as a teacher to come to a better understanding both of the mathematics, and of the children's understanding of the mathematics.

This is something that I think we often times can forget as educators.  Obviously we try to meet students where they are at with their mathematical knowledge, and help them grow from there, but it is so easy for us to impose our way of thinking onto our students.  I really like the idea of using counterarguments as a way of discovering how students understand different mathematical concepts.

The second idea I thought was interesting was:

When Adele keeps saying that the Ted-Ross strategy sounds good, stating: "I think it's right but I don't know how it works," Maggie (who has just finished presenting CA #1 to her group of five) insists: "Then you have no reason to think it's right."

It is amazing how often we just teach concepts to students and tell them that it is correct and the one way to do it, but we don’t let them necessarily figure that out for themselves.  We tend to make “Adele’s” who just say things like “I don’t know why this works, but my teacher said it works this way.  So this is what I am going to do” instead of making “Maggie’s” who ask questions like “Why does it work that way?  How can we be sure?”

3 comments:

  1. It is amazing how children can quickly pick up on who truly understands or who can genuinely demonstrate the math behind the steps. It's true that teachers often impose math concepts one way and expect students to understand it and be able to apply and extend from it. I also agree that counterarguments are a great way to see how children understand or do not understand a certain mathematical concept. However, I am interested in the example of counting number of squares in the 4 x 4 grid. The extension was at first very concrete and the number was small enough to work with. The extension quickly grew to numbers difficult even impossible to work within a reasonable amount of time. Eventually, the extension could ask for a generalization for any n x n grid (where n is any natural number). I wonder how many grade five students would be able to arrive at the generalization. Also, I wonder how far would be appropriate to continue with the extension questions for children of different age groups. At the same time, how can we effectively guide children to further understand mathematical concepts without reproducing experts of regurgitation?

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  2. It is true that students are easily influenced by our thoughts. The counterargument way is powerful and helpful (perhaps interesting) for students to reject a statement rather than to accept a statement. Is it because reject is always easier than accept? I can feel that students in Zack's classes really enjoy the rejective process as if they are teachers. It is even more amazing when they finally go beyond the rejection and create their own solutions to the problem. This is what Hanna and Barbeau suggested.

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  3. Very interesting article. In some ways the students are practicing "peer review" and "peer evaluation" which are both important skills. I like that they choose a hypothetical argument to criticize, and not one created by an actual classmate. Peer evaluation of an actual classmate might be hurtful in some cases, especially with youngsters.

    I think this type of exercise would be especially valuable when the incorrect solution contains a common misconception or error, as with the example in the article.

    I am astonished at the level of the question posed, as well as the quality of the comments made by the students. I wonder if the results could be replicated.

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